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"After 50 years, you shouldn't do the same thing," says Philip
Johnson, FAIA, describing his recent design for a multidomed,
Byzantine-inspired addition to the Robert C. Wiley House,
a chaste, Modernist box he designed in 1956. The comment,
of course, could apply to Johnson's career in general. Architecture's
great chameleon, Johnson has changed his colors with nearly
every passing style—delighting the media with his nimble aesthetic
and annoying colleagues who staked their reputations on the
last wave. From his heralding of the International Style in
1932 to his stripped-down neoclassical designs for the New
York State Theater at Lincoln Center (1964) and the Boston
Public Library (1973) and his championing of Postmodernism
in the 1980s and Deconstructionism in the 1990s, Johnson has
always anticipated the next great thing. He has famously called
himself "a whore," and some critics have agreed. As he turns
95 on July 8, he's still designing in many modes—from three-dimensional
collage for a real-estate developer in New York City to whimsical
historicism for a fan in Vermont. Now in partnership with
Alan Ritchie, Johnson comes to his office in the Seagram Building
three days a week and works on projects large and small, from
New Canaan to Qatar. Recently he and Ritchie discussed their
new work with RECORD's Clifford Pearson and Suzanne Stephens.
ARCHITECTURAL RECORD: You have
projects in various stages of development all over the world—from
an addition to the Amon Carter Museum in Fort Worth, Texas,
to a folly in Vermont and a mixed-use, urban redevelopment
project in Liverpool, England. That's a lot to juggle, isn't
it?
Philip Johnson: It's a real
dichotomy of types and scales, yes. But that's what keeps
it fun. I tell Alan that as long as it stays fun, he can count
me in.
AR: Let's talk about some of
these new projects. You have a 26-story residential tower
on Spring Street in Manhattan that was recently announced.
It doesn't look like anything else you have designed.
PJ: It's all sculpture. I stacked
a lot of blocks on top of each other to create a free-form
sculpture that kind of recalls Dutch Expressionism from the
1920s. The blocks are Cubist forms, and each will have a different
kind of brick to pick up the colors of the neighboring buildings,
which are mostly 19th- and 20th-century warehouses. All of
the windows will be old-fashioned double-hung windows. I call
it "the revenge of the double-hung."
AR: Would you call this a Modern
building?
PJ (laughing): Modern is what
I say it is.
AR: The project is right next
to the historic James Brown House, which is an early-19th-century
landmark. How does your high-rise building relate to its three-story
neighbor?
PJ: Well, it picks up the old
windows and the different colors of brick found in the area.
The client, Nino Vendome, started with a sandwich shop next
door, then moved into real estate. So he knows the area. Now
he wants to contribute a piece of sculpture to the neighborhood.
Alan Ritchie: Architecture
joining with sculpture—that's what we've been exploring in
a range of projects over the past few years.
AR: Tell us about the 4,000-square-foot
addition to the Wiley House in New Canaan that you are designing
for a young family.
PJ: Well, it's a new owner
and a new era, so we wanted to do something different. The
addition will be two groups of domes—like clusters of grapes
of different sizes. Each dome will be stuccoed and a different
color. Our idea is to use summer colors: red, orange, yellow.
It will be like a village of Byzantine domes with no windows,
just glass doors and light coming in from the top, like at
the Pantheon.
AR: You also have two small-scale
projects: a sculpture in Vermont and one for the Sheikh of
Qatar.
PJ: The sculpture in Vermont
I originally designed for my own backyard. It's the dome of
St. Peter's, 20 feet in diameter and pierced by a unicorn
horn. For your backyard you make a joke. It's ridiculous.
The client, a man named Chuck Meyer—not to be confused with
Richard Meier—loved the idea of a folly on his property. The
dome will be cast in aluminum or some kind of fiberglass.
The sculpture for the sheikh will be poured concrete 30 feet
high and 50 feet wide. The key to the design is the opening,
the slit in the continuous form.
AR: You're working with a young
British firm, Studio BAAD, on a big project in Liverpool.
How is that going?
Ritchie: It's been going through
a difficult process. It's a large project—over 1.2 million
square feet of shopping, movie houses, recreation, and park
land linking the old heart of Liverpool to the city's docks
and waterfront. The docks had long been cut off from the rest
of Liverpool, and our site has been essentially a derelict
park. The project goes up for city approval in September or
October. The public seems to want it, but you never know what's
going to happen. I figure we have a 50-50 chance of getting
the okay. We're quite excited about the design, especially
the roof structure, which is a swooping glass umbrella that
covers but doesn't totally enclose the space. We worked with
Arup on the engineering of the project.
PJ: The structure is like a
Möbius strip, twisting and then curving back on itself. It's
really quite interesting.
AR: Sounds a little like your
own career.
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